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Location: Maxin' and relaxin' in Pam Grier's double-D cups!!! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
John Vanbiesbrouck: Racist or misunderstood??? I know that you all saw the blurb in today's AJC(3/16/03) in the Sports section regarding the "Beezer" having to resign as GM/coach of the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds! He "alledgely" used a racial epithet or slur SEVERAL times towards Dallas Stars prospect Trevor Daley, who happens to be BLACK!!! Daley, team captain, left the team and didn't return until after Vanbiesbrouck resigned. First of all I ain't tryin' to start no shit, but what the **** is wrong wit' "da Beezer"? Too many slappers to the face mask? But most most of all what bothers me is that he used a slur several times!!! I mean damn, how many times can you call a "brotha" nigger before you find his foot in your ass??? Yeah, yeah I know everyone's gonna say that this is an "isolated" incident! And I know that the point will be made that the OHL, NHL, WCHL, AHL, ECHL and whatever other HL does not tolerate racism of any kind. But it seems that every two or three years some jackass muthafucka lets his true "colors" shine through! Personally, I don't think that this is an isolated incident. As a matter of fact what about the other dumb racist**** that goes unreported and unchecked??? I keep hearing about how most hockey players are friendly and approachable, most of the time! Maybe it's me but every since I've been a Thrashers fan I still feel that I'm looked at with the, "what the **** are YOU doing here?" stare. In my heart I KNOW that some players have given me that look! I'm not just referring to my beloved "Icebirds" but also visiting clubs that happen to practice at the Ice Forum when they are in town! This further supports the arguments of non-hockey fans(specifically Afro-Americans) that white people don't want us as players or fans! I attempt to counter their stance by defending the game as a whole. I point out that the game is built on speed and skill, and no matter what color a player's skin is as long as you can put the puck in the net it doesn't really matter! It takes me back to the McSorley/Brashear incident--every balck person that I know had a field day with that particular piece of insanity. You couldn't convince every black person who saw that atrocity that McSorley's assault on Brashear wasn't racially motivated! Personally, I think it WAS a racist act of cowardice!!! Didn't mean to ramble and meander but I felt this recent situation shouldn't be avoided or swept underneath the rug. I hope that Vanbiesbrouck really isn't a racist scumbag summamabitch! I hope he just made a horrible mistake! He needs to make amends to Daley and the team! It could've been a "heat of the moment" type of scenario! I know I have said some things in which I've had to apologize for and I know that some of you have uttered certain "magic" words in your lifetime also! I just hope that this won't keep some little black kid in Edmonton, Toronto or Vancouver from being swayed from pursuing his dream of being the next Iginla, Gretzky or Vanbiesbrouck, remember he was a pretty**** good goalie! **For those who don't know I am African-American with an insatiable appetite for the NHL!!! holla! |
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__________________ Proud to be Smirkin' Chicken's original token negro! Power to da peoples! Rat on, rat-on! |
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Location: Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
Dude, I'm not trying to knock you by any means, but, you like to throw this race**** up when the opportunity presents itself. Last time it was the Thrashers/race relations in the community, now this. What's the deal? This shit's been tossed around already, and number one, the guy's not a closet racist. The guy fucked up point blank and finished. Not only did he admit to his **** up, he's taken full responsibility, not that excuses it by any means, but shit, the guy gave up his coach/GM duties, and is now selling his 25% stake in the team. Not because the heat was put on him, but because he knows he fucked up and feels its the right thing to do. He did all of this before any action was even thought about. You're my dude and all, but damn, you know, cmon. Not everyone is a closet racist, and dreams of one day demoralizing a person outside their race by blurting the N word in their direction. People **** up, and just because they have a poor choice of words and a severe lapse in judgement, does not mean they wear a KKK hood on the weekends. |
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__________________ "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ASS..... and I'm all out of bubble gum" **GBDS** #37 |
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Location: Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
cont.... I'm not stickin up for the guy, but feel me on this if ya can my man. Gotta look at both sides of the fence objectively. He fucked up, he knows it, and he's absolved all responsibilities with the team in an order to get this guy back on the team for his benefit. |
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__________________ "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ASS..... and I'm all out of bubble gum" **GBDS** #37 |
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Location: Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: I had to go back and come back on a little of this, not debating with you, cause I feel you on your part of things, I'm just injecting my opinion. You almost make it sound like every guy who's not black or of non-white race is a closet racist.**** goes both ways man, people slip up and say dumb shit, and when they do, at least directed at a black person, it makes fucking headline news, at least if its toward a person who is a somebody. |
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Edited by NikulinDime March 17, 2003 12:13:37 am. __________________ "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ASS..... and I'm all out of bubble gum" **GBDS** #37 |
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Location: Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
cont.... Yet I can't begin to tell you how many times around the block I've been called a cracka or a honkie, and I'm sure scores of other white folks have been called the same shit, but that shit's swept under the rug because people attach so much baggage to the 'N' word, that**** gets top flight agenda automatically. There's racist people in every race, creed man, recognize that**** for real. It just seems to me it only is an ordeal when someone drops the N bomb that isn't black, that it makes news and becomes a hot topic. And people take the fuckin ball and run with it callin em a lifelong racist. In some cases, maybe someone always has harbored some fucked up sentiments towards a certain race/religion or whatever, but that is in the extreme minority, not the majority.As for people lookin at you like you're outta place at the games, yo, it's the same thing as a white boy showin up at Hoops on Memorial Dr. It's like fuck, whatchu doin' here whitie? But you just gotta brush that**** off man, for real, because you paid your way to the game, **** what they think. You paid your way, you love the game and that's all that matters. If you get tied up in all that "What do they think" shit, then you're gonna be stuck on that. |
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__________________ "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ASS..... and I'm all out of bubble gum" **GBDS** #37 |
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Location: Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: That's your opinion and I respect it, but I just have to left field disagree there. Not questioning your knowledge of either of their backgrounds, but cmon, both guys are fuckin goons. That**** happens every few years where a guy loses it and does something retarded like attack someone with a stick, or attack a fan. Both guys have always had rough backgrounds in regards to the game, so, racially motivated? Cmon. I highly doubt Marty is skating around with thoughts in his mind like, "I'm gonna get this N good." That**** out there is war, and sometimes people lose their cool and take a swipe. Now if Keith Tkachuk who cross checked that guy in the throat a few games ago, if he cross checked say, Anson Carter in the chops like he did that white dude, are you gonna sit back and call him a closet racist too? Cmon V..... |
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__________________ "I've come here to chew bubble gum and kick ASS..... and I'm all out of bubble gum" **GBDS** #37 |
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Location: Member Since: December, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
If anything this is a credit to the quality of the young players on that hockey team. Beezer dropped these n bombs behind the player's back(his teams captain of all people) to some other players. Those players told the captain and the rest of the team what he said. The Brashear/McSorley thing was more about Marty being pissed than racism. It was the result of McSorley getting punked by Brashear and wanting him to drop the gloves. I think the playoff "banana incident" with Kevin Weekes in Montreal was much more blatant case of racism in the NHL. I also think Weekes had some choice words regarding this Beezer thing, I haven't been able to find them though. |
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Location: Maxin' and relaxin' in Pam Grier's double-D cups!!! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
I'm glad you responded, thanks! I don't "throw" this subject around often as you said, but I'll put that**** on blast when I see fit! As far as my concerns with the "community relations" policy again, I was justified! how can you have a team in a city when the majority is what used to be called the minority-- Blacks and Latinos! All I was trying to say is that the Thrashers need to market some of their promos towards these groups in a manner that's respectful and sincere! As far as Beezer is concerned I don't know nor do you know whether he's a racist or not!(I never used the term "closet racist"). I just know what was reported and based my sentiments on that. In my experience I've found that most people Black, White, Latino, Asian or whatever the **** who happens to slip up and use a slur usually means that**** no matter how much they apologize and grovel and sell their interest in a team! Remember Vanbiesbrouck was born and raised in Detroit, a town without much racial and cultural harmony! But then again what city in these United States does? Don't get me wrong, either. Thanks to the NHL I have met some cool-ass folk up in here! Everyone I've come in contact with have shown me nothing but love! But don't get it twisted-- there will always be asswipes who don't have no love for the "Brown"! Remember last season when that clown attacked me on the Thrashers site? Muthafucka called me "Mr. Ebonics"! And I summarily roasted his *** with the support of some of my compadres from the old board! So don't tell me that these types of "ofay" mofos don't exist! Those are the ones that are fuckin' it up for everybody! |
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Edited by gimmesummdapp March 17, 2003 12:33:02 am. __________________ Proud to be Smirkin' Chicken's original token negro! Power to da peoples! Rat on, rat-on! |
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Location: Los Angeles Member Since: March, 2003 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: from ESPNs article: ''I think it is very classless,'' said Carolina Hurricanes goalie Kevin Weekes, who is black. ''It leads me to now wonder what he thought about me the whole time that I was in the (Florida) system. It makes you wonder." |
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Location: Maxin' and relaxin' in Pam Grier's double-D cups!!! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: 'nuff sedd!!! I think Weekes makes a legit point here! Like I said before I knew this would be a touchy subject but I hope that it allows us to gain further understanding. And frankly I do hope I see the day when Black hockey players are the norm and not the exception tn the NHL, that's why I pray like heaven that Jeremy Jackson and other talented black players continue to fight the odds and perservere and eventually make it to the NHL. I think it would be a beautiful thang! |
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Location: Los Angeles Member Since: March, 2003 [ Link to this post ] |
gimmesumdapp...how do you feel about Quentin Tarantino and his dialogue? Specifically his use of the word "nigger". I ask because both he and Beezer have the same basic explanation for their use of the word, that it was so prominant where they grew up and not always as a negative word. Do you agree with Spike Lee that even with his background Tarantino should not be allowed to use that word? |
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Location: Member Since: March, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
First of all I don't see why a coach would want to run down one of his players to a teammate. What sort of movtivation tactic is that? "So and so sucks" then later "Lets go play hard for each other on the ice--its all about teamwork guys." Is the Bezzer a racist? If it was a one-time incident, where someone said something in the heat of battle, I'd be more willing to take the guy's apology at face value. In my lifetime, there have been a few moments where I've been so angry with someone that I wanted to use whatever word or phrase that would hurt that person the most. I'm not terribly proud of those moments, but they did happen. So if it was that type of a situation I might be willing to overlook the thing. What bothers me about Bezzer is that he seems to have done this more than once in private conversations with other players on the team. Why would you do something like that? Did he go around calling the French players "frogs" behind their backs? There is a lot that makes me go "hmmmm...". The worst part IMO is his statement that he's a devout Christian so he's not a racist. Generations of Christians keep legal segregation in place in the U.S. South. Wasn't it Jesus who said you should judge the tree by its fruit? |
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Location: Not renewing in frigid Section 302 Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
I'm rather disappointed when I read that about Beezer. I had a lot of respect for him when he was the goalie down in Miami (I started out a Panthers fan). Now he's lost my respect. If he's used that term several times at one occasion, no doubt he's used it often enough at other times. And that sort of thing just loses my respect. I've had a lot of fun riding home on Marta after a game, talking up the sport of hockey with other African-Americans who express and interest in the game but have never been to one. I keep encouraging them to go, knowing that if they go to just one game, they'll be hooked like I was. |
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Location: Riding THRASHERVILLE'S Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: I really beleive there are racists everywhere, and yes that includes my beloved sport of hockey. As far as the "what the **** are YOU doing here?" I think that is less racism and more unfamiliarity. I've gotten that same feeling, walking into a bar where I was the only white person there. That doesn't mean everyone there was a racist, they just weren't used to seeing a white person there. If you look hard enough you will find racism everywhere. But generalizing all hockey players, and hockey itself, as inherently racist is, in itself, racist. Just my .02$ |
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Location: In a Blueland with the blues! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
How's this for a rascist quote... "Hockey is a sport for white men. Basketball is a sport for black men. Golf is a sport for white men dressed like black pimps." ....Tiger Woods |
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Location: 1 mile from nowhere. Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
My whole problem with this subject is there is always someone looking for it. Yes GSD, we heard about it, we read the whole thing on NHL.com and all the other hockey web sites. And most of us thought what a fucking dumb *** idiot. Enough is enough. Do we have to have a debate on this just because your black and feel like someone took a shot at you? I don't give a**** if your black or a fucking one eyed flyen purple people eater, to me your just GSD, a hockey fan. Sorry, I'm just so over this race thing that I'm at the point where I don't want to hear about the**** at all any more. And for this entire problem to end, what is going to have to happen is this: 1. Everybody ignore the stupid bullshit and go on with their lives. 2. A lot of people out there need to stop going out of their way to look for this kind of**** and make it the front page news. 3. A lot of people out there on both sides of this issue need to stop lying to themselves and to the people that listen to them. Most of them just make the problem worse. 4. Don King needs to just fade away. He is a disgrace to the entire population. Yep I bet someone just slams me for this. But the only way to get rid of racism is to just get rid of it ALL! |
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__________________ It doesn't matter what the Pres says if he's drowned out by thousands of DDFs. |
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Location: NÖT QÜÖTTE DRÅNII PÖÜTINEN!!!! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
quote: Pretty**** funny to me. If beezer had commented that his goalie's helmet looked like a hood ornament for a pimp mobile or something this would all be blown out of proportion. A joke is a joke, even if it's in poor taste. You appologize if you offended anyone, and move on. You keep on doing it and you get kicked to the curb. But using a racially derogatory term for a player who you are coaching shows at BEST a really bad sense of judgement and at worst a level of disrespect that ensures that you will damage their career. Big**** difference. Hockey has a long history of race-baiting, the N-bomb might be new 'cause there haven't been any black players, but frogs, fuckin' indians etc. have been thrown around for the history of the game. It's still a game with it's roots in tiny farming/timber/fishing towns, which ain't the most progressive places on the planet. I'd bet most of the funky vibe GSD is getting is just 'cause people aren't expecting a black fan (especially a rabid one and practices and such). Speaking of which, we need captain signage for the SC game this weekend! |
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Edited by Cheapseats March 17, 2003 10:04:42 am. __________________ 72 DO:{JHOPJHINS GREASTTEST TEWAM EVER MOTHER CFUCKERS!!!! - Mangoholico Spell check is the drunk man's penis pump. - Boatdrinks We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. GOP 2008 platform |
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quote: That is a great idea...GSD, you available?!?! |
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__________________ Shoepolish says I'm the Goddess of Love and Beer and I'm okay with that. |
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Location: Maxin' and relaxin' in Pam Grier's double-D cups!!! Member Since: November, 2002 [ Link to this post ] |
I'm in demand! Damn, that is flattering however, I will be in Savannah this weekend--funeral of a family member, my aunt passed this weekend. I was planning on attending the SC game with signs in tow, but the grim reaper had other plans! Anyway, to the person who said he was "over" this "race thing" I'm glad YOU can get over it but I NEVER will!!! Because as long as folk will sweep it under the carpet it will always exist! As far as myself going to look for stuff like this all I did was open the**** newspaper and it was there! You GOT**** right I'ma put that**** on blast every time I see or hear it! Let me be honest and say this, I am PREJUDICE! Yes I said it. I prejudge EVERYBODY for one reason or the other! That's my problem and I'll deal with it! I'm prejudice due to the fact that as an only child I have been used by people and screwed royally in my lifetime therefore i don't trust too many folk out there! And yes, I have used the words Cracka, Honky, Peckerwood, etc. I'm not proud of that but it's REAL! I have also and still use the word NIGGER! That's my issue because one day I won't need those words any more! One thing about me is I don't run from nothing any more and won't run from this topic if it ever comes up again! I'm quite sure that there are a few folk on this site who "tolerate" my presence and have been tolerating me for four years and I hope that I have dispelled any misperceptions or inaccuracies about MY people! If not then that's your problem but I'm a Thrashers fan 'til the end! |
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Location: In Mombassa, drinking gin. Member Since: December, 2001 [ Link to this post ] |
Think about this. How many of you will go out to lunch today and Corned Beef and Cabbage will be a special on the menu? Now, how many of you went out on January 20th and saw fried Chicken, chitlins and watermelon on the menu? The facts are simple: 1 - People hate. Not everybody is going to get along. 2 - You can't do anything about it. 3 - The more of a big deal you make of it when someone hurts your feelings, the more it's going to get done. Ultimately, you have to choose whether or not you are going to let other people dictate your actions (or reactions, as the case may be) or if you are going to live your life outside of the instances of small-mindedness, name-calling and jokes. |
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