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  El Profesor
 
August 27, 2009 1:40:01 pm
 
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Yup, TX really dropped the ball on this one.



And yet there is no death penalty for being a scumbag.



Seems to me most people being executed fall into the scumbag category. So maybe there is?



In Texas you're probably right.

 
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August 27, 2009 2:02:07 pm
 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html




Wow, the Willis case is horrible investigation work. The one that is the topic is this thread seems to be more about picking apart the investigation rather than a non-investigation. If on Dec 26th I find a used can of lighter fluid on the porch, I get suspicious.


 
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August 27, 2009 10:26:42 pm
 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html



This report in no way suggests that the defendant was innocent. It also doesn't say whether the fire was arson or not. Further, there's no indication of how this testimony weighed in the determination of the defendant's guilt. It was a review of the methods used in this case and another by the local and State authorities versus the national standards and those that were adopted and accepted by the next generation of investigators. They were found lacking, but that sounds more like a condemnation of the defendant's attorneys, than a demonstration of his innocence.

 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html



This report in no way suggests that the defendant was innocent. It also doesn't say whether the fire was arson or not. Further, there's no indication of how this testimony weighed in the determination of the defendant's guilt. It was a review of the methods used in this case and another by the local and State authorities versus the national standards and those that were adopted and accepted by the next generation of investigators. They were found lacking, but that sounds more like a condemnation of the defendant's attorneys, than a demonstration of his innocence.



My take as well.

The author of the report doesn't say "this fire was caused by a cigarette" or "this fire was caused by an electrical wiring issue". It just says that the analysis by the experts in the case which concluded the defendant used an accelerant was faulty.

That doesn't mean the defendant didn't set the fire.

Keep trying DDF. One day you may actually find an innocent man who has been executed since the reinstitution of the death penalty.

 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html



This report in no way suggests that the defendant was innocent. It also doesn't say whether the fire was arson or not. Further, there's no indication of how this testimony weighed in the determination of the defendant's guilt. It was a review of the methods used in this case and another by the local and State authorities versus the national standards and those that were adopted and accepted by the next generation of investigators. They were found lacking, but that sounds more like a condemnation of the defendant's attorneys, than a demonstration of his innocence.



So the methods were found lacking and you want to condemn his defense attorneys. Those two things add to the doubt as to whether or not the execution should have happened. Death penalties are supposed to be carried out only when things are completely airtight. That is clearly not the case here.

 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html



This report in no way suggests that the defendant was innocent. It also doesn't say whether the fire was arson or not. Further, there's no indication of how this testimony weighed in the determination of the defendant's guilt. It was a review of the methods used in this case and another by the local and State authorities versus the national standards and those that were adopted and accepted by the next generation of investigators. They were found lacking, but that sounds more like a condemnation of the defendant's attorneys, than a demonstration of his innocence.



So the methods were found lacking and you want to condemn his defense attorneys. Those two things add to the doubt as to whether or not the execution should have happened. Death penalties are supposed to be carried out only when things are completely airtight. That is clearly not the case here.



If he were put away for life without parole, do you think this report would have got him out of jail?

 
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http://stopexecutions.blogspot.com/2009/08/full-text-of-report-on-analysis-of.html



This report in no way suggests that the defendant was innocent. It also doesn't say whether the fire was arson or not. Further, there's no indication of how this testimony weighed in the determination of the defendant's guilt. It was a review of the methods used in this case and another by the local and State authorities versus the national standards and those that were adopted and accepted by the next generation of investigators. They were found lacking, but that sounds more like a condemnation of the defendant's attorneys, than a demonstration of his innocence.



So the methods were found lacking and you want to condemn his defense attorneys. Those two things add to the doubt as to whether or not the execution should have happened. Death penalties are supposed to be carried out only when things are completely airtight. That is clearly not the case here.



If he were put away for life without parole, do you think this report would have got him out of jail?



I think it would be enough to get him a new trial. Not much point in a new trial now.

Oh well...he was a scumbag. Even if he didn't set the fire he was a bad guy anyway and we can all feel better that he's dead. YAY DEF PENALTY!!

 
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"I hope you rot in hell, bitch."



Another godbot felon.



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So the methods were found lacking and you want to condemn his defense attorneys. Those two things add to the doubt as to whether or not the execution should have happened. Death penalties are supposed to be carried out only when things are completely airtight. That is clearly not the case here.



Is "airtight" a legal term? If not, then I would assume that the guilt/motive/degree parameters were met for a death penalty in the state of Texas. I would think that if you (or DDF, or anti-death penalty lawyers) looked really hard, you could find a better example of a wrongly sentenced convict.

 
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August 28, 2009 9:15:22 am
 
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...a better example of a wrongly sentenced convict...



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...a better example of a wrongly sentenced convict...



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So you're telling me that government don't do life or death decisions well?



I'm saying we should get rid of the death penalty because mistakes can happen and innocent people can be executed.



He sounds like a swell guy. Maybe you should look a little deeper than the "middle school depth" newspaper articles you take for fact (when they are just opinions)

Criminal History:
At the punishment phase of trial, testimony was presented that Willingham has a history of violence. He has been convicted of numerous felonies and misdemeanors, both as an adult and as a juvenile, and attempts at various forms of rehabilitation have proven unsuccessful.
The jury also heard evidence of Willingham's character. Witnesses testified that Willingham was verbally and physically abusive toward his family, and that at one time he beat his pregnant wife in an effort to cause a miscarriage. A friend of Willingham's testified that Willingham once bragged about brutally killing a dog. In fact, Willingham openly admitted to a fellow inmate that he purposely started this fire to conceal evidence that the children had been abused.
Dr. James Grigson testified for the state at punishment stating that Willingham fits the profile of a sociopath whose conduct becomes more violent over time, and who lacks a conscience. He expressed his opinion that an individual demonstrating this type of behavior can not be rehabilitated in any manner.





Grigson sounds like a**** of an expert witness:

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The other medical expert was James P. Grigson, a forensic psychiatrist. He testified so often for the prosecution in capital-punishment cases that he had become known as Dr. Death. (A Texas appellate judge once wrote that when Grigson appeared on the stand the defendant might as well “commence writing out his last will and testament.”) Grigson suggested that Willingham was an “extremely severe sociopath,” and that “no pill” or treatment could help him. Grigson had previously used nearly the same words in helping to secure a death sentence against Randall Dale Adams, who had been convicted of murdering a police officer, in 1977. After Adams, who had no prior criminal record, spent a dozen years on death row—and once came within seventy-two hours of being executed—new evidence emerged that absolved him, and he was released. In 1995, three years after Willingham’s trial, Grigson was expelled from the American Psychiatric Association for violating ethics. The association stated that Grigson had repeatedly arrived at a “psychiatric diagnosis without first having examined the individuals in question, and for indicating, while testifying in court as an expert witness, that he could predict with 100-per-cent certainty that the individuals would engage in future violent acts.”


http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann?currentPage=7

 
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What a shock!



They use lethal injection not ole sparkey.


Hey if he was innocent, at least the state reunited him with his kids.





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